I notice theres a hell of a lot of mud slinging now going on from players and ex-players about things that the crusaders covered up.

Makes you wonder how much the RFL really knew about the things that went on there. They just had to know about it. Wernt the RFL working in parnership with the Crusaders at some point?

These make for interesting quotes:-

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To say the RFL were supposed to be monitoring them it dosnt look like they did a good job. Also considering the RFL are supposed to check a lot of the documents that pass through the clubs did they `miss` certain ones?

The RFL made this mess happen. What a joke.Franchising is working though so thats good.

The RFL is a joke IMO.

Some bold statement's from him especially regarding the visa issue. I would imagine that certain authorities if they were to get wind of this mght be asking him to back up them statements!

It's clear there were problems from day one with Celtic. The RFL took a huge gamble, it backfired big time. Hopefully they won't make the same mistake again but then again I won't be holding my breath!

The same people shouldnt still be in a job anymore, nevermind not making the same mistake twice.

It really is going tits up over there now. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14329582.stm

It really is going tits up over there now. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14329582.stm

The owners of Crusaders have made a statement saying that they have made a loss of £500k in the last 6 months. So, they come out of administration relatively debt free in January and 6 months later are posting huge (for the size of business) losses. Just shows how bad things really were and how they were never ever in a position to sustain themselves at anytime in SL..... www.wrexhamafc.co.uk/page/NewsDe ... 50,00.html

The owners of Crusaders have made a statement saying that they have made a loss of £500k in the last 6 months. So, they come out of administration relatively debt free in January and 6 months later are posting huge (for the size of business) losses. Just shows how bad things really were and how they were never ever in a position to sustain themselves at anytime in SL..... www.wrexhamafc.co.uk/page/NewsDe ... 50,00.html

Quote Derwent="Derwent"The owners of Crusaders have made a statement saying that they have made a loss of £500k in the last 6 months. So, they come out of administration relatively debt free in January and 6 months later are posting huge (for the size of business) losses. Just shows how bad things really were and how they were never ever in a position to sustain themselves at anytime in SL..... www.wrexhamafc.co.uk/page/NewsDe ... 50,00.html'" If that is true then the RFL really need taking to task for what has gone in. Pushing and pushing them was never going to be the aswer but Big Nige and Dickie had a vision.

Quote Derwent="Derwent"The owners of Crusaders have made a statement saying that they have made a loss of £500k in the last 6 months. So, they come out of administration relatively debt free in January and 6 months later are posting huge (for the size of business) losses. Just shows how bad things really were and how they were never ever in a position to sustain themselves at anytime in SL..... www.wrexhamafc.co.uk/page/NewsDe ... 50,00.html'" If that is true then the RFL really need taking to task for what has gone in. Pushing and pushing them was never going to be the aswer but Big Nige and Dickie had a vision.

Sean Maguire,ex Saints,gave an excellent interview on Radio Merseyside last night in which he lambasted the RL and their attempts at expansion into Wales.Here,about 16 and a half minutes in. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00j1w11

Sean Maguire,ex Saints,gave an excellent interview on Radio Merseyside last night in which he lambasted the RL and their attempts at expansion into Wales.Here,about 16 and a half minutes in. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00j1w11

The Crusaders have had two of the best con men in the business.

Moss and Roberts are crooks. They managed to lose 0.5 million this year, even though the sky money is well in excess of a million. Someone tell me how thats possible.

Samuel is well known for his abilities to hide money. He wrote off all the debts of his business on the crusaders. hence the massive debt they had. Guy is the biggest crook in the world.

I bet the RFL had no idea.

Many posters on here, the ones with a tiny sense of business acumen, could see what was going to happen.

There were a few posters in the opposite camp claiming things were sweet. Unfortunately, the RFL were of the same mind.

The powers that be at Red Hall must take full responsibility for this fiasco, if the Crusaders hadn’t sent their Dear John letter, they would have been in, and it’s scandalous.

There are people working for the RFL on relatively very good salaries, they’ve also brought in independent ‘experts’, yet, only the Crusaders withdrawal from the process has forced their hand.

The RFL are not in place to micro-manage member clubs.

If clubs are breaking employment/immigration law, that's their lookout.

Utter bollox , if they're paying for it , and they were , then they should have been making sure things were being done properly

The RFL knew all about the VISA issue , they colouded with Samuels to fast track the CC trhrough to SL

I see the much commented on inquiry never happened , did it ?