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| leedsbarmyarmy:ArthurClues:Sal Paradise:
What has happened to Newman - where has all his pace gone - the last try he was nowhere.
Using his head in the tackle - not a good luck.
If Wane plays him against the Aussies it will be a bloodbath.
For all the talk about Gannon - he put a shift in.
Handley was unlucky - would not have gone if Sue hadn't already gone. Never make a centre.
Newman has lost pace, but last night he was playing injured from early in the 2nd half. Trainer was constantly on and off and it was obvious that they only kept him on because of Hall's injury. The game itself was terrific, if slightly marred by officiating which impacted both sides. In the age of play acting on a Rugby field I cannot believe we were reduced to 11 men because Connor was in intense pain having dislocated a finger! For all that, I thought KR deserved the win. Lewis and Litten bring a spark to their game which we simply don't have, especially without Croft. Thought Connor,Handley, Watkins and Miller (despite a couple of mistakes) were exceptional. Pack went well, but we need a hooker who can offer more cutting edge than O'Connor. Thought Lumb, who I thought needed a rest, was also very good. He's got some real character that lad! I was really hoping young Sinfield would take his opportunity, but hand on heart, I can't see what he offers that Frawley doesn't. His kicking was equally bad, his defence was worse, his discipline was poor, and he lacks the pace to be a real threat with ball in hand at the top level. Maybe I'm being too harsh, (unfortunately his fathers legacy will always skew my perception of him) but I struggle to see a scenario where he is a key part of a succession plan. On to next week,where despite injuries and possible suspensions we need nothing less than a win. I think that?s harsh on Sinfield. He had Tangonoa and Whitbread running at him all night and for the most part he dealed with them well. Maybe it is. I haven't watched it back yet, but I'd say every halfback in the league gets targeted in the same way every week, it's just part of the job. My major point is that in the areas of the game that set aside top class players - pace, kicking, and execution of skill under pressure - he looks average I really wish that it was not so, but my eyes and 40 odd years of watching the game tell me that it is.
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| christopher:
That?s three games against too opposition we should have won.
I think our biggest issue is lack of consistency in the spine positions we need Smith Croft and Ackers back, when they are I think we might see these results shift later in the season, there is a very good team in there were just 5% short.
I also disagree with those who say Handley isn?t a good centre, his play to set up lumbs try was excellent centre play and showed why his pace can be a real threat in that position.
Handley is a good centre, maybe the best one at the club, but if Hall's injury is a bad one, he's going to have to play some wing at some point this season. What a terrible bit of luck Sivo?s jnjury was for the club, I can't help but feel we'd have nicked a couple more wins with him on the field. Agree with you re our missing spine players players. Wonder if Croft and Smith might be available next week?
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| ArthurClues:christopher:
That?s three games against too opposition we should have won.
I think our biggest issue is lack of consistency in the spine positions we need Smith Croft and Ackers back, when they are I think we might see these results shift later in the season, there is a very good team in there were just 5% short.
I also disagree with those who say Handley isn?t a good centre, his play to set up lumbs try was excellent centre play and showed why his pace can be a real threat in that position.
Theyll be back for the Hull FC game Handley is a good centre, maybe the best one at the club, but if Hall's injury is a bad one, he's going to have to play some wing at some point this season. What a terrible bit of luck Sivo?s jnjury was for the club, I can't help but feel we'd have nicked a couple more wins with him on the field. Agree with you re our missing spine players players. Wonder if Croft and Smith might be available next week?
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| Bentley also had a nice role in the Lumb try, for Bentley's detractors. I'm generally very happy with the forwards.
Very happy with Miller and Connor - but we need more than half a spine. While I'm optimistic about Croft returning, I'm nonplussed about Smith and Ackers. They are both skillful players, but I'm not convinced they add anything significant to our attack as it is already. Same goes for Frawley. We've been spoiled with Watkins or Palasia at 13, Smith is a significant downgrade on these two (IMO), unless he just runs hard and direct and reins in the playmaking. Ackers might be a marginal upgrade on O'Connor on a good day; I guess having them both in the team means we get more out of 'impact Jarrod' when Ackers starts to fade into the background, but I agree this is a position we could do with a serious upgrade in.
Frawley vs Sinfield is tricky. Frawley is solid but we just look so clunky attacking with him on the field. Sinfield looks better in attack and probably deserves more time, ideally not in the front line every game. At some point he's going to have to make it hard for Arthur to drop him, and we're not in that position yet.
The backs struggled with us losing Hall early, Newman's usual antics, and Handley's sending off. Newman is a bit of an enigma. He's actually looking more like his old self in patches in attack and defence, but whatever the situation is with his neurodiversity this is professional sport, and Leeds can't afford him coughing the ball up and getting penalised 2-3 times every game. If he is one of the highest earners he's just not good value. Let him go to Saints with his hunchback mate and spend the money on a decent 9. By now it's clear he's not the next Senior or Watkins, whatever Wane thinks of him. Don't mind Handley at centre. He can still help out in yardage and the Lumb try showed decent centre-wing play.
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| chapylad:
Didn`t KR score when we were down to 11 men? I was under the impression the green card or whatever it is was put in place for players deliberately going to ground and play acting. The Catalan team were masters at it. The fact Connor wasn`t play acting and was having his dislocated finger put back in place should not count imo.
I thought the same thing. I also think its time to introduce mandatory HIAs for any player who is hit by a tackle that results in a card. That would stop most of the play acting we see now.
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| The green card situation was the worst for me. It was a a completely incorrect use of the rule.
?Explaining the changes, Robert Hicks, now RFL Director of Operations and Legal, said: ?This rule change only applies when the game is being played or where the shot clock isn?t being used. ?And it doesn?t apply if the referee chooses to stop the game because he believes it?s not safe to carry on.??
Connor wasn?t play acting, wasn?t asking for play to stop and it was the referee who chose to stop it.
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